Ep #237: You Don’t Have to Ride Every Ride at the Park: Creating Intimacy Your Way

Dr. Sonia (00:02)
It’s so good to see you. You are listening to the Midlife Sex Coach for Women podcast, episode 237. Whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop! Hello, Diamonds. Welcome, welcome, welcome. I’m so excited that you’re here today because I have one of my besties, one of my favorite people, and an amazing coach called Coach Donna with me. And we’ve been talking about the reignite program.

Just gonna remind you that the Reagnight program starts in September. We’re gonna be talking more about that. But Coach Donna and I are gonna be doing the Reg Night program together, and that’s the live 12-week course. You can sign up. The link is in the in the show notes. You actually sign up for the DIC. We’re in the process of creating the Reagnite, so that’s kind of our beta program right now. So you get the Reagnite program for the cost of the DIC. But anyway, what I wanna talk to

Donna Jennings Coaching (00:58)
Hmm.

Dr. Sonia (01:00)
Coach Donna today is we were in the DIC book club the other day and we came up with this idea. Not actually not we, Coach Donna came up with this concept, and she was saying how like you don’t have to ride every ride in the amusement park to have a good time at the amusement park. And of course, how it relates to sex and sexual intimacy. And I was like, my goodness, we totally need to do a podcast on this. And will you come on my podcast?

Donna Jennings Coaching (01:04)
Mm-hmm.

You

Dr. Sonia (01:27)
And let us please discuss this further. And so I know many of you know Coach Donna because she has been in my programs. And even at one point when I needed a break, she took over the podcast for a couple of weeks. So I know a lot of you are familiar with her, but please come with me and welcoming Coach Donna Jennings. And she’s gonna introduce herself and then we’re gonna have a conversation about amusement park and rides just in general.

Donna Jennings Coaching (01:29)
Hehehehe

Hello, hello, hello, Diamonds. Nice to be back with you and always a pleasure to be with my sister from another Mista, Dr. Sonia Wright. And so you may not know if you’re new, but if you’ve been around a while, you’ve probably heard us talk more than once. We met going through coach training and could not have fathomed that now we’re knocking on eight years. It’s actually this fall will be nine years when we first met because it was the fall, wasn’t it?

fall of 17? Did we do training in the fall of 17? 18. And then it was like January, technically, that the certification came through. Okay, that was it. So we’re knocking on the door of eight years of being friends and besties and my gosh, we could never have imagined from then what, you know, now and how wonderful that was. And so I would just say that’s worth the investment right there for me.

Dr. Sonia (02:25)
I don’t think so. It’s a fall of 18. Yeah.

Donna Jennings Coaching (02:53)
So yes, a pleasure to be with you. I am a life coach. do NLP and hypnosis and a variety of other things to you know, just fill my toolbox with things to help women deal with cycles of overwhelm that lead to burnout. And that totally plays in to how we show up intimately in our lives, in relationships and in the bedroom. So yeah, let’s have fun talking about.

theme park rides today.

Dr. Sonia (03:23)
Yeah, yeah. So

we bring you back to the book club that we had last week and we were talking about this concept and you were telling me you don’t have to ride on every ride and and which is very appropriate because for me, I get sick on a number of rides, right? And so there’s certain rides that I can can ride, even though like my favorite place to go is Disney. We should have like a live component to

Donna Jennings Coaching (03:34)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

You

Dr. Sonia (03:49)
the reignite and have it at Disney and we all

get to just ride and have fun. But there’s certain rides that I can do and certain rides that I cannot do with the spinning around and around and around rides I cannot do. And we were talking in terms of sexual intimacy, like this concept that like if there’s something you don’t like, you don’t have to do it. Right. Obviously consent is something that’s important. But just talk to me a little bit about your concept of

Donna Jennings Coaching (03:58)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Sonia (04:17)
like

amusement parts and how that relates to sexual intimacy and this concept that you don’t have to ride every ride. ‘Cause like if you get a day pass, it seems like you should ride every ride, even the ones you don’t like to be riding.

Donna Jennings Coaching (04:29)
Mm-hmm

Yes, so I like to forewarn on two points one will be we are this whole episode is is is around a metaphor so we’re going to Metaphor the daylights out of this episode so hang with us and the other is that we’re going to have we’re gonna have some some

vulnerable conversations around intimate topics related to intimacy and And I will you know, I shared some with the book club and I’ve shared we’ve had a couple of different conversations where some of this has come up where some abusive experiences in the past but also not not just Sexually abusive situations in the past, but I would also say some generational shame

that came down has impacted how I, if I go back to being shorter than I am now and much younger than I am now, looking forward in life, the lenses with which I viewed sex and intimacy were shrouded in avoiding pregnancy out of wedlock, things like not getting caught and

And then, I quote, it’s not getting caught. it being immoral, an immoral issue. So there were multiple layers around that for me growing up. But I will say the biggest at the time, besides, you early on, one of the biggest ones was I was the child being raised by a single mom and

She’d been married twice but had four kids. So two of us were out of wedlock. And in the late 60s and 70s and even into the 80s, there was a lot of stigma to that. But she also struggled to provide for us. And so then we went on government assistance. So now we were, and I’m using quotes, my friends, we were based on society attitudes. We were…

illegitimate kids from the other side of the track. And so a lot of things that were undesirable, so to speak, they certainly weren’t goals that way. And then layered onto that were episodes at different times in my childhood of sexual abuse and being vulnerable to that. So as I got older, I did some therapy and I also

you know, read a lot and attended some seminars and trainings. This was a thought that came up, which was just because one ride is down in the theme park, and I am particularly avoiding the term broken, but just because one ride is down in the theme park doesn’t mean the entire theme park is closed.

which suddenly helped me see sex and intimacy as wide open. Cause I’d gone from shut down to like, these are things I’ll never do. Like I was so close, those very things that reminded me of vulnerable experiences and I couldn’t fathom ever being involved in that again. And just thinking about it shut me off towards sex. Suddenly that could be behind me.

and then dozens of rides were available. I didn’t have to do that. I could do all of these other things. So I love the concessions and I love the teacup rides and I love the Dahlonega Mine Train and I love the arcade games. So suddenly there was a ton of things available to me because of a shift in my lenses. But I think it’s important to share kind of how those lenses originally got shaped.

and then reshaped and how we got to this topic.

Dr. Sonia (08:58)
And first of all, there’s a number of things that I want to address. The first of all is thank you so much for being willing to share around the experiences you have had had around sexual abuse. Because I think that that is something that may not be the easiest thing to share. And so I want to thank you and honor

Donna Jennings Coaching (09:14)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Sonia (09:18)
That experience and the stuff that you had to deal with around that. And for anybody that’s listening to this, I love the fact that you went and got the therapy and that you needed, because that’s something that’s so important when we’re dealing with the issue of sexual abuse. And also to recognize that you’re not to blame in any way. And also to recognize that that does not mean you completely shut off sexual intimacy. What you discussed.

Donna Jennings Coaching (09:37)
Right.

Right.

Dr. Sonia (09:45)
Is basically how can I feel safe in this environment and still tap into sexual intimacy, tap into my sexuality in a place where I feel safe in a way that works for me. And part of the part that we that we didn’t name, but I’m going to name is the consent aspect of this, right? There was not necessarily consent in the past, but now you’re creating experiences where you have.

Donna Jennings Coaching (09:48)
Mm-hmm.

Is it?

Yeah.

Yeah, right.

Dr. Sonia (10:12)
the ability and the power to consent and to engage and to decide what is important for you. And I love that around sexual intimacy, the metaphor is an amusement park because that’s about fun and entertainment and happiness and joy and pleasure. As opposed to maybe somebody coming from a similar experience might say that they’re in a cemetery or something where it’s like

Donna Jennings Coaching (10:16)
you

Hehehehehe

Dr. Sonia (10:40)
more about like you have to be here, you don’t want to be here. Like the so this is a whole complete different concept that you get to choose. So the choice, the autonomy that you had in deciding that I’m not cutting myself off from an amusement park. I’m gonna figure out what rides I want to go on. And this is whether or not somebody has been sexually abused. There’s a lot of things that might make us choose to engage in some sexual intimacy and not engage in in others.

Donna Jennings Coaching (10:56)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Dr. Sonia (11:09)
The important

concept here is that you get to choose and you get to identify what works for you and get excited about what works for you. So there’s so many different aspects of this that I wanted to just touch for a minute and be like with your consent to be like, thank you for sharing this, but also so there’s the the the concept of consent that is something that’s interwoven.

Donna Jennings Coaching (11:19)
Yeah.

Absolutely. Bring it on. Let’s go.

Dr. Sonia (11:37)
Into your sexual intimacy experience. There’s also interesting concepts like I’m not even sure if the younger generations would even know what wedlock is, right? You know, is it like isn’t it so interesting? Like the terminology has changed a lock. Like I like, I remember being eight years old and looking at my parents’ marriage and being like, this is not gonna work for me. And I would definitely say that that is that is a lock.

Donna Jennings Coaching (11:48)
Right. And you just think about the term, right? Locked in, baby.

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Sonia (12:06)
Right, like I knew from

an early age that this did not look like a good deal for women. And that’s not to say that there weren’t wonderful marriages out there. I had just never really experienced a or seen anybody, any woman that was actually happy in a marriage, but for some reason it was labeled as a thing that we should focus on as our goal. Right. So I think but but and and for with good reason, right? Because if we think of what’s

Donna Jennings Coaching (12:19)
Mm.

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Sonia (12:32)
happened with your mom and we can’t know everything that happened with her, but she was in vulnerable circumstances, right? She had been in relationships that had not worked out. Maybe she had limited resources and limited skill set and she had to figure out how to, you know, survive and what she needed to do. And and maybe she was in relationships with different pyre power dynamics. And like we don’t even know, like we’re talking about what women had to deal with

Donna Jennings Coaching (12:39)
very.

Dr. Sonia (13:01)
in the sixties and seventies, you know, fifties, sixties, seventies, when they couldn’t get a checking account, where they couldn’t own their own house if they wanted to. Like so they had to figure out how to make this system work for the best for them. And if they’re coming from an environment where it’s never worked for women, their options look pretty slim to none, right? So in terms of all the the like the dealing with the illegitimacy and the out of wedlock and all those things. Like I

I really feel for the women of the past generations and possibly for the women of the future generations, you know? Like, I can remember being raised in the seventies where women’s liberation and that type of movement was coming in at the same time as black liberation as well, right? And black power. And so my concepts of things and how I was raised during that period of time, it was a very turbulent period of time in the United States, and also it informed

Donna Jennings Coaching (13:34)
Mm.

Mm-mm.

Dr. Sonia (14:01)
How I see the world and how I am like living my life, right? And thankful for a lot of freedoms that we have. and things are shifting and changing. And I don’t want to make this very political, but it does impact women, right? And so looking at all those things, and I am getting back to the amusement park, damn I mean, like I’m going all over the place, but I’m getting back to the amusement park where we have the freedom to choose.

Donna Jennings Coaching (14:04)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Good

We’re coming back around people.

Dr. Sonia (14:29)
what rides we decide that we want. And I think a lot of women in midlife when they’re looking at intimacy, they may be coming from a place where they didn’t necessarily know that they had choice and freedom to choose what they want their intimacy to look like. So if I come to the amusement park and I don’t want to do the ride, you want to do the the rotating cups. And I the last thing I want to do is the rotating cups. but

Donna Jennings Coaching (14:30)
Mm-hmm. Yes.

Mmm.

Dr. Sonia (14:57)
Maybe we can both agree that the funnel cake over there looks fantastic. Like we get

Donna Jennings Coaching (15:01)
It’s

amazing. Yes, I’m all over that. Twice.

Dr. Sonia (15:07)
Twice, right? Exactly. So I love how you’re like, okay, it could be s concessions, it could be and and like if a ride is down because that’s not what we chose to, and I should say that I have a history of sexual abuse in my past as well. and so like making the decision, and this is for like for all the women out there that I’ve had to deal with sexual abuse or

are currently dealing with the ramifications of it or are or any woman that wants to make a choice. Like, how do we empower them to make the choice that they get to be on some rides and and not on every ride?

Donna Jennings Coaching (15:45)
So, and I think that’s a fabulous question. And I think that it’s fabulous that we ask it because many of our listeners may not have even thought that they could ask that question. So I would kind of, I would, my mind thinks let’s go to the higher theme that you and your partner will have in common. How do we get there,

there may be a variety of options, but what we want is pleasure, right? What we want is pleasure and connection to enjoy each other, intimacy. I would start with that mentally and go, yes, yes, the end goal here is connection and pleasure and…

Some may say, it’s part of my workout program. Fantastic. And some may say, it’s part of my stress release. Yes, it is. It’s fantastic for that. And some may say, it helps me get to sleep. Okay, absolutely. And so then how we get there can vary. So if you go to the theme park with somebody else, right, and the goal is to experience it together, you are going to have to

communicate for sure. And you might want to, this is certainly something coming out of literally if we go to a theme park or literally if we, we just did this on Friday. My husband and I, went, we were celebrating our 19th wedding anniversary. And one thing we did was went to a day spa and we explored the whole thing first and then talked about what interested us together and separately.

And then we went from there. And some of the things we compromised on. But ultimately, we both enjoyed some of the larger aspects of it. And then we each got some of the smaller aspects of enjoyed some of the smaller offerings there. Coming back exactly like the theme park. There’s a map. There’s usually a map.

And we can put that in quotes if you want of this is everything that’s in the theme park. You might decide, OK, I only want to be in this side of the park over here. Fine. Or only over here. Or I want to go to the roller coasters first. Fantastic. Right. So knowing what’s available, you’ve got to agree on the theme park and the types of rides. Then knowing what’s available because and then.

Maybe you prioritize that. So my husband does like roller coasters and that’s not a metaphor. Like he enjoys roller coasters. I do not enjoy roller coasters. But we went to, I don’t even remember anymore, but it was a park in Florida, but not Disney. And so I got on a roller coaster and I only did it once. I was screaming my head off. My eyes were closed most of the time.

Dr. Sonia (18:43)
Okay.

Donna Jennings Coaching (19:03)
and he and the people behind us were having a fabulous time and I’m like, let me out of here. And the rest of the time, I loved watching him have a good time, not the rest of the day, but like, hey, go again, honey, and go have a blast. And I’ll stand here and watch you. And so we did that. And that you can apply to this metaphor, people. Anyway, not just.

the literal theme park, but the metaphor theme park, it’s okay to watch if that’s something on your list that you decide to prioritize. And so you agree on priorities, what might be fun, what you would enjoy, the things that are, these are absolutes, let’s definitely do this, right? And let’s do this early while we have the energy and we’re not fried from the sun and the heat all day, right?

Now, if we have time, there’s this over here I wanna do and that over there. And later in the day, when I’m exhausted from being in the heat, I’ll go do these bumper cars. Because it’s in the shade, it’s low key. identifying, first of all, get an idea of what’s available to you. Have you ever even considered that? And the book we looked at, Sex Talks, had a great list of items.

to even broaden people’s understanding. They may never have considered some of these things. And so you can certainly can look at that, but start writing them down with your partner. Or start writing them down and then present to your partner from this perspective I would offer. you know, like, hey honey, like, you know what? It’s important to me that you have,

Dr. Sonia (20:46)
Okay.

Donna Jennings Coaching (20:54)
I wanna make sure you have a good time and that I am aware and supporting you, doing things that you enjoy. And so I’d like to talk to you about a list of things I’ve come across and say, how does this sound to you for just opening up the conversation?

Dr. Sonia (21:13)
So there’s

so many so many things that I want to talk about. And I think because I’m a talker and you’re a talker, like I have a thousand ideas in my head. I’m not sure if I’m gonna get them all straight in response to what you’re saying because I didn’t want to interrupt you because you were in the flow. And when Doc Coach Donna is in the flow or Dr. Sarnia is in the flow, we go with the flow. So first thing I realized is that it is so easy for us to talk about making plans for the amusement park, but it’s so hard for us to talk about.

Donna Jennings Coaching (21:30)
We go.

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Sonia (21:42)
making plans for sexual intimacy, right? The whole conversation. Like I don’t want to go on the carousel. I don’t want to go on the roller coaster. I do want to go on the you know the runaway train. Like if we we’re like I am in

Donna Jennings Coaching (21:55)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Sonia (21:57)
for oral sex. I’m not in the mood for penetrative sex. I’m really not in the mood for anal sex right now, but anal play would be kind of fun. Now that is super hard for people to say, but they can say like, runaway train or roller coaster or whatever, you know. So if we could figure out a way to make this like even if you had to start with the metaphor for if you had to say like the like this, the like the roller coaster is for penetrative sex. Or something like that. You’re like

Donna Jennings Coaching (22:19)
Mm-hmm. I see where you’re going. I like it.

Yeah!

Dr. Sonia (22:27)
Not in the mood for the roller coaster today, baby, but the the you know, what do you call those little spinning cups, you know? Maybe that’s a little hand job or something, right? So if we would like even though I believe it just say you in the words, but if it makes you more comfortable to use like what like a code at the beginning as you’re getting used.

Donna Jennings Coaching (22:34)
Teacups?

Yeah.

Yeah, create

your own language, right?

Dr. Sonia (22:48)
having the conversation,

right? I’m like, I’m all for whatever you have to do in order to be able to get the concept across and then we can work from there. So that was one of the things that was coming up for me. And then I just love how you’re saying like adapt to the day, you know, adapt to what

In the reusement park would work for you that day. Like you said, later in the evening, it’s kind of hot, so it’s bumper car time, right? Maybe that means later in the evening you’re kind of tired, so it’s snuggle time, right? Like, so we get to look and see, you know, what we’re comfortable. But all this is like when you think about an amusement park or whatever, you give yourself permission to go on what you want to go on and what you don’t want to go on, you don’t go on. But what is it that stops?

Donna Jennings Coaching (23:10)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Sonia (23:36)
Women for giving themselves permission to say, I am interested in this and I’m not interested in that. And this kind of goes back to my talk I did or the podcast I did last week where you can have the limited menu. Like and so this concept

Donna Jennings Coaching (23:51)
Yes, that’s very good.

Dr. Sonia (23:53)
is the concept of the limited menu, but we’re doing it as an amusing part metaphor, right? So what is it? Like what would we need to do? Cause women feel so guilty. It in fact they’d rather say no to everything as opposed to say, you know, I’m in the mood for a little bumper card, but I’m really not go doing that roller coaster tonight. It’s too late in the evening and I had a full meal. I’m not doing it. What would we need to do to make it okay

Donna Jennings Coaching (24:08)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Sonia (24:22)
for women to say, ’cause there’d be much more pleasure in this world. There’d be much more fun in this world if it were okay for women to say, I would like to choose this. And I think that and here I am continuing to go, I think that a lot of it has to do with we have this concept that somebody else’s pleasure is more important than our pleasure.

Donna Jennings Coaching (24:43)
Mm.

Dr. Sonia (24:43)
And so like if we say yes to sex, we are saying sex on somebody else’s terms and somebody else’s definition of their their sexual intimacy, what they want, and also like what the day in the amusement park would look like for our partner and not for what the day in the amusement park would look like for us, if that makes sense.

Donna Jennings Coaching (24:53)
Mm-hmm.

Yes.

Dr. Sonia (25:10)
What can we do to allow women to be like I would like my day in the amusement park and this is what I would like it to look like?

Donna Jennings Coaching (25:19)
got a couple of different answers more than a couple answers to that. Number, not necessarily number one, but one of the things I think is important is being able to receive.

Dr. Sonia (25:36)
Tell me more.

Donna Jennings Coaching (25:37)
Yeah, the

I think women can tend to be in a position of taking responsibility for meeting everyone else’s needs. And sometimes taking responsibility for the result of meeting those needs. For example, when I was a kid, my mom made dinner and if I balked at it and I complained about it, I didn’t get to go make a bowl of cereal or a sandwich. It’s like, this is what’s for dinner.

This is what you get. If you don’t eat it here, it’ll be here in the morning. We had more than one of those little knockdown drag outs. So she did not take responsibility for me having something I liked. She did take responsibility for providing nourishment to me. now, so coming out of that, meaning we don’t have to be responsible for people’s happiness.

We can allow people to take responsibility for their own results. And I’m sure our listeners can offer me a thousand situations where it’s important that they hold the grip that they hold for them on whatever it might be.

I’m just introducing the idea that number one, allow yourself to receive. Number two, you don’t have to take responsibility for the outcome for everyone. And if we go into an intimate experience from a sense of responsibility, then

It’s transactional, it’s performative.

And we do that at work. We do that in all these other areas of our lives where we’re performative.

Being vulnerable versus armored up and performative allows us to be in a place to be intimate, to be vulnerable, and to receive, and dare I say, softer.

Dr. Sonia (28:19)
So I’m gonna start to address some of those things because I think it’s really important. Okay, so when you say be able to receive, I I am in agreement with that. And my brain brings it to a different perspective in in some ways. it but I am totally in agreement with what you were saying as well in terms of responsibility. So in terms of being able to receive, I realize like if I were to go to not now but

Donna Jennings Coaching (28:20)
I know you are! Bring it on, let’s go!

Dr. Sonia (28:43)
Like most women, if they were going to go go to an amusement park with the family, right? They’d be focused on getting sandwiches for everybody, what everybody needs to eat, when everybody is cranky, if anybody needs a bedtime nap, you know, do we have water for everybody? Right. That they’re not really focused on their enjoyment at the park. And so they’re not able to receive in the park.

Donna Jennings Coaching (28:53)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Sonia (29:07)
And and and if we’re using that metaphor, they may not be able to receive the sexual intimacy pleasure because they’re focused on their partner’s pleasure and

making sure that the partner has the pleasure, right? So that is the first thing that comes up when I hear that. The second thing is going back to a concept that I’ve talked about before that you get to be responsible for your pleasure and your partner gets to be responsible for their pleasure. When you’re focused on your pleasure, then you’re in your body and you’re enjoying yourself. When you’re focused on your partner’s pleasure, you’re not in your body. You’re in your mind going like does that does he look or does she or do they look like they’re enjoying themselves? You know, is this what

Donna Jennings Coaching (29:30)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Sonia (29:48)
What they need, they’re getting everything they like, are they happy? You know, so you are right. It goes into a performative place. It is not in a place of receiving and pleasure. So a hundred percent responsibility for our own pleasure, responsibility they take responsibility for their pleasure as well. So that was another thing that came up and then I forgot the third part. But that’s okay.

Donna Jennings Coaching (29:55)
Mm-hmm.

I mentioned softer, I mentioned vulnerable, being able to receive, performative, all this stuff you have to do at work. But, and bearing in mind, yes, when a family goes to the theme park, you’re in more of an overseer position, making sure all the babies are safe while they’re having a good time. But in intimacy, it’s you and your partner.

and you don’t have to mother your partner.

Dr. Sonia (30:42)
That one. I’ll

take that. You don’t have to. Like you get to be there and to have fun. And you know, the your partner’s not asking you to mother them. Most of the time they want to have fun. They want to see you having fun too, right? And so and that puts you when you’re focused on somebody else, that puts you in that per performative place, but it also puts you in a place where you may choose, since you’re not focused on your pleasure, you may choose to fake an orgasm or do whatever.

Donna Jennings Coaching (30:47)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Sonia (31:10)
you need to do in order to kind of move this along because you’re not having real pleasure. You’re maybe anxious that the partner’s not getting the pleasure that they need or whatever, but it’s putting you in this place where you’re not focused, you’re not in your body, you’re not enjoying yourself. And so you wanna like it becomes like, how efficient can I be at this, right? And talk about efficiency. We’re gonna wrap up this podcast.

Donna Jennings Coaching (31:30)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Dr. Sonia (31:36)
Because we were going over a little bit, but I definitely wanted to talk to you about this. Any last things you do want to say and wrap up?

Donna Jennings Coaching (31:45)
Yeah, I just want to say we have had clients, right, who they have come because they and I know that there you’ve spoken about this in the past and going to speak about it some more, particularly in your with the myths. But sometimes they come because they’re desperate because they’re trying to be performative and all these other areas. But the one area where they’re they’re struggling is intimacy.

because there’s not enough of them emotionally left and so they are trying to from a from a logical and Performative because that word again, but from the headspace show up for sex for their partner because their partner is wanting more sex but they don’t have any gas in the tank left for intimacy and So some of our our clients have come for that and it

with that as the perceived problem. And I know that some people listening may be dealing with some of that and there’s so much more available anyway, that what is driving and then getting into a space so they can be in a place to receive so that they can too experience the pleasure, not just from a place of survival because they’re afraid for their relationship. Yeah, yeah.

Dr. Sonia (33:08)
Yes, so good. So good.

Okay. Thank you so much for that, Coach Donna. And you will be back. And of course, we are going to be doing the reignite program together. So I’m so excited about that. And it’s gonna be it’s gonna be lit. It’s gonna be amazing. It’s gonna be fabulous. It’s going to be reignitable. Sorry. Alrighty. Diamonds, we will see you soon. And Coach Donna, thank you so much for coming.

Donna Jennings Coaching (33:19)
Can’t wait.

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Thank you.